In episode 134, I sit down with Jen Moss, Chief Creative Officer and co-founder of JAR, where she helps brands and agencies craft podcasts that move people—not just metrics.

Jen calls herself a podcasting doula, guiding clients through the messy middle of creative storytelling. In this conversation, we dive into how to create audio that actually connects, what makes a podcast worth listening to, and why “Job, Audience, Result” is the framework every agency should adopt before hitting record.

Jen and I explore why most branded podcasts fizzle, how to define success beyond downloads, and the difference between authenticity and algorithm-chasing. If you’ve ever thought about starting a podcast for your agency—or making your current one work harder—this episode’s for you.

Key Bytes

• The JAR method: Job, Audience, Result—a simple framework for podcast strategy.

• Why authenticity and storytelling beat reach every time.

• How agencies can use podcasts as pillar content that drives real relationships.

• Common landmines when launching an agency podcast.

• Why generosity and curiosity build audience trust.

• The most meaningful metrics: engagement, consumption rate, and return listeners.

• When to use internal vs. external hosts—and why it depends.

• The role of creative courage in a crowded podcast space.

• Why “connection” should always be your North Star.

Chapters

00:00 Intro – Meet Jen Moss, podcasting doula and CCO of JAR

02:00 From theater to radio: Jen’s storytelling roots

06:00 The JAR framework explained: Job, Audience, Result

09:30 The real “why” behind launching a podcast

12:30 How agencies can use podcasts as strategic marketing tools

16:30 Internal vs. external hosts: what actually works

19:45 Common landmines and why most podcasts fizzle

22:00 Authenticity, generosity, and giving value away

24:30 Is podcasting too saturated? Finding signal in the noise

27:45 Connection over clicks—how to stand out

31:00 The metrics that matter: consumption, return, and reach trends

33:50 Rapid Fire with Jen Moss: storytelling, creative courage, and dream guests

In her role as Chief Creative Officer of JAR, Co-Founder Jen Moss loves bringing stories to life. With her clients, Jen acts as a “podcasting Doula,” helping them harness their strengths in service of great storytelling. Deeply steeped in the creative process, Jen is unafraid of its ambiguities, and enjoys guiding others through its twists and turns. Drawing on her strong background in theatre, arts journalism, audio documentary, and new media storytelling, Jen helps clients tell the authentic stories that matter to them, and to their audience. She spent many years working as a producer and award-winning content creator for CBC Radio, and as an interactive story producer for The National Film Board of Canada’s Digital Studio, which taught her to think of stories as living things, full of potential for impact. It also taught her to take an “audience first” approach. Jen is never afraid of surfacing big ideas, but understands that sometimes, it’s the little things – the specific lens that “only you” can bring – that will gain the most traction with an audience. Jen loves to look for “fresh tracks” in the form of stories that haven’t been told before. She encourages her clients and her team at JAR to try out new ideas, learn from what the audience data reveals, and let that inform future creative strategy. Finally, Jen keeps her own professional learning curve alive as she lectures part-time at the University of British Columbia’s School of Creative Writing, interacting with the next generation of writers, podcasters, new media producers, and audiences.

https://jarpodcasts.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-moss-8a356930/

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In episode 133, I dive into the real-world path of AI adoption for agencies with guest Kirstin Russ, founder of Principal Edge AI and Mountains to Sea Media. We unpack the four “zones” of adoption (from denial to productized services), why most AI projects fail without structure and change management, and how to turn internal automations into billable client solutions. We also hit on junior-talent pipelines in an AI world, the risk of “robot-trained-by-robots” content, pricing when you’re still learning, and the discovery discipline required to make automations actually stick.

Key Bytes

• The winning agencies move from “dabbling in automations” to selling AI-powered solutions that solve specific client problems.

• 95% of AI projects fail because of missing structure, messy data, and zero change management — fix those first.

• AI should elevate people to higher-value work; train juniors to work with AI, not to be replaced by it.

• Don’t chase every shiny tool; build repeatable agent patterns and a stable stack you trust.

• Discovery is everything: a “15-step” flow usually hides 30 more steps — price and scope accordingly.

• Monetization starts with ops pain: map ugly manual workflows, then automate the “swivel-chair” steps.

• Thought leadership beats generic AI copy: capture founder audio, codify brand voice + ICPs, then assist with AI.

• Profit vs. quality is a real tension — set guardrails so efficiency never erodes outcomes.

Chapters

00:00 Intro & Kirstin’s two businesses

00:57 Why an outsource-first agency model

03:07 Year of deep AI study and first tools “in the wild”

04:43 The four zones of agency AI adoption

06:14 From “getting ahead” to “survive”: disruption hits marketing

09:01 Why AI projects fail: structure, data, and change management

11:00 Practical internal automations (transcripts → CRM, follow-ups, etc.)

12:58 Junior talent in an AI era & the content quality dilemma

15:18 Building an AI content assist system (voice, ICP, research)

18:48 Tool sprawl vs. foundations; avoiding shiny-object traps

20:40 Can clients DIY? Positioning & selling AI services

21:08 Case studies: Square inventory workflow & quote tool

24:38 Pricing while you’re learning; managing expectations

27:18 Aha moments: you can’t do it all; systemize & delegate

29:14 Theme songs, imposter syndrome, and wrap up

Kirstin Russ is a seasoned business strategist with 30 years of cross-industry experience who brings a unique dual approach to business growth. As the founder of Practical Edge AI, she helps businesses leverage artificial intelligence to automate growth, reduce manual workload, and improve profitability—often delivering measurable results within the first week.

Simultaneously, as the driving force behind Mountains to Sea Media, a Western North Carolina-based digital marketing agency, Kirstin helps businesses amplify their online presence through strategic internet marketing, data analytics, and performance-focused web design.

Kirstin's superpower lies in her holistic approach to business analysis, understanding how systems interconnect and where AI can enhance traditional & digital marketing strategies. By combining cutting-edge AI solutions with proven digital marketing expertise, she creates integrated growth pathways that optimize both operations and customer acquisition.

With an approachable style and commitment to practical results, Kirstin transforms business challenges into opportunities. Her guiding question remains: "If you could wave a magic wand and change anything about your business, what would it be?"

https://www.practicaledge.ai/

https://mountainstoseamedia.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/practical-edge-ai/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/mountains-to-sea-media/

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In episode 132, I talk with Leah Leaves, founder of Alderaan Operations Solutions, where she helps remote digital agencies grow without the grind. Known for her no-fluff, systems-first approach, Leah and her team embed expert operations managers directly into agencies to break bottlenecks, reduce burnout, and build businesses that can scale without the founder in every decision.

We dig into what causes owners to become the bottleneck, the difference between goals, systems, and team accountability, and how every agency—no matter the size—can start building a foundation that prevents burnout and supports growth. Leah also shares how to identify when it’s time to bring in an operator, how to delegate effectively, and why even the best creative agencies need structure to thrive. We wrap by exploring how AI fits into internal operations and why every agency needs an AI Ops roadmap, even if it’s just six months ahead.

Key Bytes

• Burnout often begins with unclear goals and missing systems; clarity is the antidote.

• Leah outlines four agency owner archetypes—the Trusting Optimist, Firefighting Founder, Reluctant Gatekeeper, and Visionary Leader—and how operators help each evolve.

• Delegation isn’t dumping tasks; it’s empowering your team with context and ownership.

• Documenting the “why” behind your systems drives consistency and accountability.

• Operators create the scaffolding for scale—allowing founders to focus on vision, not firefighting.

• Every agency, regardless of size, benefits from an AI Ops roadmap to guide internal efficiency.

• Start with what you already have—processes, checklists, or recurring workflows—and build from there.

• Systems don’t kill creativity; they protect it by removing chaos and decision fatigue.

Chapters

00:00 Intro and welcome with guest Leah Leaves, founder of Alderaan Operations Solutions

02:00 The Star Wars origin of “Alderaan” and Leah’s path from journalism to operations

05:30 From creative to systems thinker: finding flow in operations

08:00 How unclear goals and missing systems cause bottlenecks

10:00 Guardrails vs. micromanagement: empowering the team without overengineering

13:00 The burnout cycle and why delegation is a creative act

15:00 The four types of agency owners and their operational challenges

20:00 Shifting from bottleneck to visionary: the operator’s role in scaling

23:30 Why every agency needs an AI ops roadmap

26:30 Putting “robots” in the org chart and making automation work

29:00 Low-hanging AI wins: onboarding, recruiting, and workflow automation

32:00 Rapid-fire Q&A: distilling systems, theme songs, and unexpected client wins

34:45 Closing thoughts and where to find Leah

Leah Leaves is the Founder of Alderaan Operations Solutions, where she helps remote digital marketing agencies grow without the grind. Known for her no-fluff, systems-first approach, she and her team embed expert Operations Managers directly into agencies to break bottlenecks, reduce burnout, and build businesses that can scale without the founder in every decision.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/1eah1eaves/

https://alderaanenterprise.com/

http://agencyownerquiz.com/

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In episode 131, I sit down with Maiya Holliday, founder and CEO of Mangrove Web Development, a Certified B Corp agency that’s been building websites for change-makers since 2009.

Maiya shares her evolution from self-taught coder to agency leader, how she built Mangrove into a values-driven, fully remote team long before it was trendy, and why B Corp certification serves as an operating system rather than a marketing badge.

We dive into the realities of serving nonprofits and purpose-led organizations, how to balance mission and margin, and how AI is reshaping collaboration between designers and developers. Maiya’s insights are both grounding and inspiring for anyone building a business around impact and intention.

Key Bytes

• B Corp certification can provide structure for how an agency operates—not just a label to display.

• Nonprofit clients aren’t “low budget” if you help them tie digital to their mission, revenue, and reach.

• AI is changing agency workflows fast, but curiosity, ethics, and experimentation keep it human.

• Merging two purpose-driven teams isn’t about scale—it’s about shared values and vision.

Mangrove’s evolution shows that you can stay small, focused, and deeply impactful.

Chapters

00:00 Intro: From coder to CEO

01:00 The origin story of Mangrove Web

03:30 Becoming a Certified B Corp

06:00 Lessons from the certification process

09:00 Staying accountable to B Corp principles

11:00 How competition has evolved in the B Corp space

14:30 Why Mangrove focuses on nonprofits & foundations

17:30 Pricing and positioning in the nonprofit world

20:00 The role of AI in Mangrove’s workflow

23:00 How design and dev are converging

27:30 Internal AI tooling vs. client-facing tools

30:00 Building trust as a strategic digital advisor

32:20 Rapid fire: remote work, creative parenting, and common myths

34:50 Closing thoughts

Maiya Holliday, CEO and Founder of Mangrove Web Development is a creative leader and collaborator who crafts digital solutions to augment the impact of changemakers. She is a self-taught coder with over a decade of hands-on experience. Maiya aligns folks toward actionable goals that help articulate and communicate their organization’s purpose and impact on the web, with people, planet, purpose and equity at the core. She has led over 200 website projects for changemakers and purpose-driven organizations.

Maiya led Mangrove to become a Certified B Corp in 2016 and has since championed the cause of socially and environmentally conscious businesses deepening their impact. She values working alongside a diverse team of talented people who are passionate about what they do.

A Bay Area native, Maiya now lives in the mountains of Truckee, CA with her husband Shaun and little humans Terner and Miles. You might also find her in Oakland or Australia, where she tends to show up a regular basis.

http://mangrove-web.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maiyaholliday/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/mangrove-web/

https://www.ai4np.org/

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In episode 127, I talk with Kelly Schuknecht, founder of Two Mile High Marketing and host of the Beyond the Best Seller podcast. Kelly shares her journey from being laid off to launching her agency, how she quickly built a team, and why she’s focused on helping agency owners and CEOs grow through thought leadership platforms. We dig into what I call The Agency Owner’s Visibility Plan—a repeatable system of podcasts, stages, and LinkedIn that helps agencies build authority, stay top-of-mind, and consistently attract clients.

Key Bytes

• The Agency Owner’s Visibility Plan comes down to visibility, credibility, and consistency.

• Trusting yourself to leap without a safety net accelerates growth.

• Niching disqualifies the wrong buyers while pulling in the right ones.

• Visibility means showing up where your audience already is.

• Credibility is built in a snap judgment—package your proof.

• Consistency matters more than volume—set a realistic cadence.

• Every podcast interview can fuel a month’s worth of content.

• Delegating early unlocks owner time for actual growth work.

• In-person events still beat virtual for relationship building.

Chapters

00:00 Introducing Kelly and the story behind “Two Mile High”

03:30 From acquisition layoff to launching an agency

06:45 Why she pivoted away from “fractional CMO”

09:55 The challenge and power of niching down

13:50 Hiring early and delegating with trust

16:20 The Visibility–Credibility–Consistency framework

19:55 A realistic cadence for LinkedIn, podcasts, and speaking

24:10 In-person vs. virtual events and AI’s limitations

26:45 Rapid Fire: superpowers, lessons learned, and marketing myths

Kelly Schuknecht is the founder of Two Mile High Marketing, where she partners with agency owners and business leaders to build powerful thought leadership platforms. With over 15 years of marketing experience and a track record of elevating brands from behind the scenes, Kelly now helps experts step into the spotlight through strategic content, visibility tactics, and authentic personal branding. She’s the host of Beyond the Bestseller, a podcast featuring women who use their stories to lead.

www.twomilehighmarketing.com

www.kellyschuknecht.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyschuknecht/

In episode 126, I sit down with Meeky Hwang, CEO and partner at Endeavor, a WordPress development agency powering digital platforms for major media and enterprise brands like Bloomberg, Forbes, and Sony. With over two decades of experience in development and DevOps, Meeky has built Endeavor into a trusted name in the WordPress ecosystem while also paving the way as a female leader in tech.

We talk about her accidental journey into agency ownership, what it’s like leading in an industry where women are still underrepresented, and how Endeavor built its three-pillar framework for resilient platforms. Meeky shares candid insights on navigating partnerships, the challenges of “over-engineering” with headless CMS, and the importance of masterminds and community for entrepreneurs.

Key Bytes

• Meeky shares how an “accidental” freelance project led to a decade-long partnership and agency.

• She discusses the importance of having clear role delineation with her co-founder to avoid missteps.

• Endeavor’s three-pillar framework (audience experience, editorial experience, developer experience) keeps their platforms resilient.

• She explains why many publishers are moving away from over-engineered headless CMS solutions back to WordPress.

• As a female leader in tech, she reflects on mentorship, representation, and inspiring others by simply “being the first.”

• She stresses the value of mastermind groups for growth and support, something she wishes she’d pursued earlier.

• Endeavor is exploring AI to streamline workflows and even testing new content tools for clients.

• Her advice for organizations: implement proper version control and CI/CD to avoid preventable tech mistakes.

Chapters

00:00 Welcome and introduction to Meeky Hwang

03:00 Becoming an “accidental” agency founder

07:00 Women in tech and leadership representation

11:00 Why Endeavor niched into WordPress and media

12:30 The three-pillar framework for resilient platforms

15:00 Headless CMS pitfalls and returning to WordPress

18:00 Navigating co-founder roles and partnerships

23:00 AI, internal tools, and what’s next for Endeavor

25:00 The power of masterminds for entrepreneurs

27:00 Rapid fire: karaoke, hobbies, and tech stack fixes

Meeky Hwang is the CEO & Partner at Ndevr, a WordPress development agency trusted by leading digital media and enterprise companies. With 20+ years of experience in web development, open-source technology, and DevOps, she specializes in optimizing complex digital ecosystems, streamlining editorial workflows, and aligning technology with business goals.

Meeky has helped major brands like PMC, Hearst, Bloomberg, Forbes, and Sony build scalable, high-performing digital platforms. A champion for women in tech, she is passionate about fostering opportunities for the next generation of leaders.

Contact Meeky on their website: ndevr.io

In episode 069, I had the pleasure of chatting with Taylor McMaster, the founder of Dot and Co. Taylor shares her inspiring journey from launching her own agency to revolutionizing it into a fractional account management service for other agencies. Her story is full of valuable insights and lessons for anyone in the industry.

Taylor dives into the importance of proactive communication and strategies for expanding client accounts. She sheds light on the often daunting task of hiring and training account managers, revealing the incredible advantages of outsourcing this crucial role. Her advice to agency owners? Hire individuals who complement your weaknesses rather than those who mirror your strengths.

But it's not all business! Taylor also shares her passion for golfing and how she recently integrated a fractional sales director into her company, adding a new layer of expertise to her team.

Join us for this exciting conversation with Taylor McMaster, filled with actionable tips, personal anecdotes, and a fresh perspective on agency growth and management.

Key Takeaways

• Proactive communication is crucial in account management to keep clients informed and satisfied.

• Outsourcing account management can help agency owners focus on other aspects of their business and achieve a better work-life balance.

• Hiring account managers who complement your weaknesses can lead to a more well-rounded team.

• Golfing can be a fulfilling hobby and a way to relax and recharge.

• Bringing in a fractional sales director can provide expertise and support in growing your business.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:49 Starting Dot and Co and the Genesis of the Fractional Model

08:31 Integrating Account Managers into Agency Culture

11:36 Stepping into Existing Systems and Optimizing Processes

22:26 Personal and Professional Insights

25:06 Rapid Fire Questions

27:39 Valuable Business Advice

Taylor McMaster is the founder of DOT & Company where she and her team help digital marketing agencies keep their clients happy—and keep agency owners focused on what they do best—with full-service client account management (CAM) services.

Taylor leads a team of Client Account Managers at DOT & Company, training the CAMs to work with different agencies. To date, they have helped dozens of digital marketing agencies free up their time to prioritize the money-makers in their businesses, while the DOT & Co. team ensures their client experience is smooth like butter.

She is also the host of The Happy Clients podcast, where she interviews top names in the industry, diving deep into what makes clients happy in the agency world.

Contact Taylor:

Press: www.dotandcompany.co/press

Email: taylor@dotandcompany.co

Website: www.dotandcompany.co

Podcast: www.dotandcompany.co/podcast

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dotandcompany

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylormcmaster/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dot_and_company/

YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9_2hri1R1uaNTGeZr0Oyxg/

Twitter: ​​https://twitter.com/CompanyDot

In this episode, I had the pleasure of chatting with Anne Green, the CEO of GNS Business Communications. We met in an airport lounge and talk about the value of putting oneself “out there” to meet new people and discover new opportunities. Anne shares her journey to becoming CEO, revealing her unique leadership style rooted in compassion and empathy. We dive into the challenges of leadership and the importance of overcoming the 'us versus them' mentality.

Anne opens up about the value of curiosity, enthusiasm, and making meaningful connections in the agency world. We explore the significance of understanding one’s purpose and staying focused amidst rapid technological changes. Anne stresses the importance of agencies revisiting their culture, mission, and values to stay aligned and impactful.

Our conversation also highlights the need for trust-building, inclusivity, and open communication within organizations. Anne’s leadership style, characterized by vulnerability and openness, fosters an environment where team members feel comfortable speaking up. We wrap up by discussing the importance of self-compassion and finding joy in the dynamic world of agency life.

Join us for an engaging and insightful discussion with Anne Green, filled with practical advice and heartfelt reflections on leadership and agency dynamics.

Key Takeaways

• Transitioning to a CEO role requires learning leadership at scale and managing a collaborative matrix style.

• A leader's style should be warm, empathetic, and open, with a focus on being of service and making connections.

• Resisting the 'us versus them' mentality is crucial in both internal agency dynamics and agency-client relationships.

• Compassion and empathy are essential in understanding and supporting clients, as well as fostering a positive agency culture.

• Curiosity and enthusiasm are key traits for agency leaders, as they drive learning, collaboration, and problem-solving. Understanding purpose and staying focused is crucial in the face of technological advancements.

• Agencies should revisit their own culture, mission, and values to stay relevant.

• Trust-building, inclusivity, and open communication are essential for a strong and effective organization.

• Leadership should embrace vulnerability and openness to create an environment where people feel comfortable speaking up.

• Self-compassion and enjoying life are important for personal fulfillment in the agency industry.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

05:33 Transitioning and Learning Leadership at Scale

14:23 Resisting the 'Us Versus Them' Mentality

27:39 Building Trust and Fostering Inclusivity

36:54 Self-Compassion and Enjoying Life in the Agency Industry

Anne Green taps 30 years of experience in integrated marketing communications in her role as CEO and a partner at G&S Business Communications. She is responsible for ensuring excellence across all areas of agency performance and operations, from client service to the agency’s integrated offerings to cultivating a vibrant and growth-oriented culture. Anne was previously President and CEO of CooperKatz & Company, Inc., an award-winning agency she helped to build for more than two decades before it was acquired by G&S in 2018. She began her career with Burson-Marsteller in New York City. In her alternatives lives, she would be a singer or literature professor - but agency life ensures she's always creatively engaged.

Contact Anne:

https://www.gscommunications.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-e-green/

In Episode 064, I had the pleasure of having an inspiring conversation with Justine Clay, a business coach and ADHD life coach for creative entrepreneurs. Justine shares her journey from working in the creative industry to launching her own coaching business, and how these experiences have shaped her current work. She delves into the unique challenges and strengths of individuals with ADHD and the importance of fostering a supportive and inclusive work environment. Justine discusses the need for leadership to understand and accommodate neurodivergent team members and examines the impact of remote work on those with ADHD. Throughout the conversation, Justine emphasizes creating spaces that foster connection and meaningful experiences, and the importance of being present and taking care of ourselves in our daily lives. She also shares valuable business advice on focusing on solutions rather than problems and keeping the client at the center of our thoughts and messaging.

Key Takeaways

• Understanding the unique challenges and strengths of individuals with ADHD is crucial for creating a supportive work environment.

• Leadership should strive to accommodate the needs of neurodivergent team members and provide them with the tools and resources they need to thrive.

• Remote work can be beneficial for individuals with ADHD, as it allows for greater flexibility and control over their work environment.

• Creating an open and inclusive culture where individuals feel comfortable communicating their needs is essential for fostering productivity and well-being.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:00 Becoming an Independent Creative Professional

06:00 Starting a Creative Management Agency

09:00 Transitioning to Coaching

13:00 Becoming an ADHD Coach

15:00 ADHD as a Superpower, or not

19:00 Supporting Neurodivergent Individuals

21:00 Coaching Leadership on Working with Neurodivergent Team Members

25:00 The Impact of Remote Work on ADHD

35:00 Personal Hobbies and Tools

38:02 Creating Spaces for Connection and Experience

39:12 Focus on Solutions, Not Problems

In this episode I have a great conversation with Selena Thiele, the founder of Office Mercenary, about why the key to winning is delegation. She discusses the concept of virtual assistants and the benefits they bring to businesses. She shares her own experience of feeling overwhelmed as a small business owner and how she started Office Mercenary to provide specialized support to entrepreneurs. Selena emphasizes the importance of finding the right virtual assistant and building long-term client relationships. She also highlights the challenges of delegating tasks and setting boundaries. Selena provides insights into the types of tasks Office Mercenary handles and the role of standard operating procedures (SOPs) in effective delegation. She concludes with valuable business advice, including the importance of letting go of perfectionism and striving for good enough.

Key Takeaways

• Virtual assistants can provide specialized support to overwhelmed small business owners.

• Building long-term client relationships is beneficial for both the client and the virtual assistant.

• Delegating tasks and setting boundaries are essential for effective collaboration with a virtual assistant.

• Standard operating procedures (SOPs) can streamline delegation and ensure consistent quality.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

01:02 The Concept of Office Mercenaries

02:23 The Impact of the Pandemic on the Virtual Assistant Industry

03:08 The Importance of Finding the Right Virtual Assistant

04:06 The Benefits of Long-Term Client Relationships

04:49 The Transformation After Delegating Tasks

06:16 The Types of Tasks Office Mercenary Handles

08:42 The Challenges of Delegating and Setting Boundaries

11:05 The Importance of Letting Go and Accepting 85% Quality

13:03 Low-Hanging Fruit for Delegation

15:44 The Definition of a Good Virtual Assistant

17:54 The Role of SOPs and Systems in Delegation

19:59 Misconceptions About Virtual Assistants

22:57 Rapid Fire Questions

25:35 Invaluable Business Advice

In this episode, I had a great chat with Jared Gibson, co-founder of Outworks.io. Jared takes us through the journey of how Outworks.io came to be and how it shifted its focus to LinkedIn engagement for B2B professionals. We dive into the common struggles small business owners face in drumming up new leads. Originally, Outworks.io was all about email lead generation, but they soon found their sweet spot on LinkedIn. Jared shares why building trust through LinkedIn engagement is key and gives us some tips on what kind of content really clicks on the platform. He also shares some top-level strategy on how to leverage relationship building tactics on LinkedIn to convert comments into sales. Plus, he talks about the importance of having an abundance mindset, being your true authentic self, and the benefits of working with competitors. Don't miss out on Jared's valuable insights!

Key Takeaways

• Outworks started as an email lead generation service before pivoting to focus solely on LinkedIn engagement for B2B professionals.

• Building trust through engagement is key on LinkedIn, and it is important to take a networking approach rather than a sales approach.

• Posting valuable and authentic content on LinkedIn can help establish credibility and attract engagement.

• Optimizing LinkedIn profiles and engaging with other users' posts can help break through the noise and build relationships.

• Having an abundance mindset and collaborating with competitors can lead to new opportunities and growth.

Chapters

00:00 Origin of Outworks

01:00 Starting with Email Lead Generation

02:27 Pivoting to Focus on LinkedIn

03:42 Combining Email and LinkedIn Strategies

05:11 Posting Organic Content on LinkedIn

06:54 Engaging with the LinkedIn Algorithm

09:26 Types of Content that Work on LinkedIn

11:16 Bringing Authenticity to LinkedIn

13:56 Building Relationships and Trust on LinkedIn

17:07 Breaking Through the Noise on LinkedIn

18:24 Optimizing LinkedIn Profiles

20:18 Having an Abundance Mindset on LinkedIn

23:15 Personal Favorites and Tools

27:39 Invaluable Business Advice

Jared lives in Chicago (with his wife and two kids 5,7) where he is well networked within the Chicago business community.

He co-founded a company called Outworks. They work with B2B CEO’s, Entrepreneurs, Sales & Marketing leaders who are looking to generate revenue through LinkedIn. He's a big believer in the power of networking on the platform to generate warm leads and has built a healthy engagement system that focuses on relationship building over pushy sales tactics.

He's spent his career building and scaling businesses using these growth marketing and selling systems and decided to take that experience and provide the same value and support for other small to midsize businesses.

Connect with Jared:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredoutworks/

https://www.outworks.io/

In this episode, I got to interview Brooke Sellas, CEO of B Squared Media, a boutique digital marketing agency. We discuss Brooke's journey of starting her agency, the importance of social care, and bridging the gap between marketing and sales. Brooke shares valuable insights and advice for agency owners from her book, “Conversations that Connect.” and insights on how they leverage social care for their clients. We also briefly touched on navigating the intricacies of working side-by-side with a spouse.

Key Takeaways

• Starting an agency requires taking risks and seizing opportunities.

• Social care is about acquiring and retaining customers through social media.

• Social engagement is crucial for building brand loyalty and trust.

• Bridging the gap between marketing and sales is essential for business success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:00 Starting B Squared Media

06:00 Working with Spouse and Team Dynamics

09:00 Brooke's Role as CEO and Visionary

12:00 Defining Social Care

16:00 The Importance of Social Engagement

20:00 Bridging the Gap Between Marketing and Sales

28:00 New Hobbies, Tools, and Business Advice

Brooke Sellas is shaping the future of digital marketing, one conversation at a time. As a CEO, she's the visionary behind B Squared Media, a boutique digital marketing agency that's redefining 'social care' for industry giants like Brother International, Endless Pools, and BCU. With her groundbreaking 2022 book, "Conversations That Connect," she's charting a course for authentic digital interactions. Dive into her insights on the Marketing Agency Show podcast, or from one of two courses she teaches at the University of California, Irvine.

Contact Brooke and download B Squared Media’s 2023 Social Care Report:

https://bsquared.media/the-state-of-social-care-2023/

In this episode, I got to talk to Tracy Goodheart from The PR Accelerator about her journey from being a journalist to helping individuals and brands attract sustained media attention without a publicist. She discusses the evolution of social media and its impact on journalism, emphasizing the importance of earned media over social media for brand credibility. Tracy also highlights the value of creating a messaging system and leveraging ghostwriting to elevate thought leadership within agencies. She advises agency owners to seek external validation and shares her insights on standout strategies in the marketplace.

Takeaways

• Earned media is more valuable than social media for brand credibility.

• Creating a messaging system can help streamline communication and ensure consistency.

• Ghostwriting can elevate thought leadership within agencies and humanize senior leadership.

• Seeking external validation can boost self-confidence and protect against workplace bullying.

In episode 051, I had the great privilege of speaking with my long-time friend, Debra Rizzi, partner and president of Rizco, a women-owned brand-led marketing agency. We got to discuss the launch and evolution of her agency nearly 25 years ago, the benefits of becoming a certified woman-owned business, and the integration of new tools and processes like EOS. She emphasizes the importance of community involvement and maintaining core values and culture in her agency. She also talks about her day-to-day responsibilities and offers business advice, including the significance of gratitude and self-acknowledgment.

Key Takeaways

• Launching a business can arise from unexpected circumstances and opportunities.

• Becoming a certified woman-owned business can open doors and provide access to funding and resources.

• Integrating new tools and processes can enhance efficiency and effectiveness.

• Community involvement and maintaining core values and culture are essential for long-term success.

• Expressing gratitude and acknowledging personal achievements are important for personal and professional growth.