Ep 121 – Shawn Johnston, Forge and Smith – Profitable by Design: Streamlining Dev Without Cutting Corners

In episode 121, I sit down with Shawn Johnston, founder of Forge and Smith and creator of Refoundry—a low-code WordPress platform that’s transforming how agencies build and deliver websites. We talk about how Shawn cut delivery time by 70%, turned profit margins around using the Profit First method, and transitioned his agency toward a scalable, productized model. He shares insights on navigating developer pushback, balancing client empowerment with agency control, and preparing for evolving tech shifts like AI in web development. Whether you’re struggling with project bottlenecks, shrinking budgets, or scaling challenges, Shawn’s story offers a clear path forward for building smarter, more profitable systems.

Key Bytes• Refoundry cut Forge and Smith’s development time by 70%, transforming profitability.

• Adopting Profit First changed their approach to pricing and overhead limits.

• Client empowerment through low-code builds loyalty and drives referrals.

• Transitioning leadership allowed Shawn’s team to grow into bigger roles.

• Technological shifts (like Webflow and AI) demand constant agency adaptation.

• Productizing an internal tool opened new revenue streams beyond services.

• Balancing developer pride with client needs is critical for successful adoption.

• Early lessons in print taught Shawn to anticipate and embrace industry change.

Chapters00:01 Introduction to Shawn Johnston and Forge and Smith

02:11 Moving from freelance to full agency and early challenges

04:39 Implementing Profit First and shifting to scalable systems

06:38 Why Refoundry: Bringing low-code to WordPress

08:22 Cutting development time and improving project profitability

11:23 Developer pushback and prioritizing client empowerment

14:44 Evolving Refoundry into a product for other agencies

17:03 Transitioning leadership and building team collaboration

24:17 Preparing for tech shifts like AI and staying nimble in delivery

28:30 Rapid fire questions and final reflections

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Shawn Johnston is the founder of Forge and Smith, a digital agency that’s launched over 500 websites in the past 13 years. After hitting the usual delivery bottlenecks and burnout cycles, he built Refoundry—a low-code platform for WordPress that helped his team cut build times by 70% and scale without sacrificing quality. Now he’s on a mission to help other agencies streamline delivery, boost margins, and build systems that actually work.

Contact Shawn:

https://refoundry.io

https://forgeandsmith.com

In episode 116, I sit down with Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall, founding partners of Palmer Advisors, a boutique M&A firm focused on marketing, media, and tech agencies in the lower to middle market. Clara and Ben break down what agency owners need to understand about selling their business, navigating deal structures, and preparing for acquisition—even if an exit isn’t on the immediate horizon.

We talk about why Palmer was founded, the major shifts in deal terms over the last few years, and why so many agency founders are choosing to stay on post-acquisition. They also share candid insights into common red flags that signal an agency isn’t ready to sell—and what to do about it. We dive into how niching (especially by industry) impacts valuation, what kinds of agencies are in high demand, and how AI and proprietary tools may influence future multiples.

Whether you’re dreaming of an exit, fielding buyer interest, or just want to understand how your agency is valued, this episode pulls back the curtain on the M&A process and what today’s buyers really want.

Key Bytes

• Palmer Advisors focuses on M&A for service-based businesses.

• The agency market is evolving with new deal structures.

• Cultural fit is crucial in agency acquisitions.

• Founders should not exit at their peak performance.

• Timing is key when going to market for an exit.

• Having a strong leadership team is essential for agency sales.

• Niche agencies are more attractive to buyers.

• Understanding EBITDA is vital for agency owners.

• Deal structures can be creative and flexible.

• The future of M&A looks promising with technology advancements.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites

01:47 The Formation of Palmer Advisors

03:35 Reflections on the First Year

05:32 Understanding Agency M&A Dynamics

09:23 Identifying Readiness for Exit

13:28 The Importance of Owner Involvement

16:02 The Value of Niching in M&A

19:09 Demystifying M&A Terminology

23:19 Future Trends in M&A

25:11 The Role of IP and Technology in Valuation

28:34 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall are the founding partners of Palmer Advisors, a boutique M&A advisory firm built specifically for founders of service-based businesses. With a focus on marketing, media, and tech agencies in the lower to middle market (typically $1–10M in EBITDA), Clara and Ben bring a modern, founder-first approach to buying, selling, and valuing businesses. They’ve quickly built a reputation for their strategic deal-making, brutally honest readiness assessments, and commitment to crafting win-win outcomes that align both financial and cultural goals. Clara leads as CEO, bringing a background in corporate retail and fitness, while Ben heads up M&A with a traditional finance foundation. Together, they’re reshaping what agency exits can—and should—look like.

Contact Palmer Advisors: 

http://palmeradvisors.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/clara-stedman-palmer-advisors/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-engvall-palmer-advisors/

In episode 115, I sit down with Jason Hennessey, internationally recognized SEO expert and CEO of Hennessey Digital. Jason shares the story of how a single talk at a legal mastermind sparked his first agency, and how he’s since scaled a powerhouse SEO firm serving top-tier law firms. We talk about niching down, the power of building a personal brand, and why delegation was key to scaling without burning out. Jason opens up about leadership, team culture, and how stepping back actually helped his agency grow faster. Plus, we dive into strategies like direct mail, personal outreach, and even outsourcing genius to level up results.

Key Bytes

• Jason Hennessy has been in SEO since 2001 and started his first agency in 2008.

• He transitioned from his first agency to Hennessy Digital in 2015, focusing on law firms.

• Innovative marketing strategies, like sending personalized books, helped him secure clients.

• Hennessy Digital primarily serves personal injury lawyers but sees potential in other legal niches.

• Building a personal brand has significantly increased response rates to his outreach.

• Delegation and outsourcing are key to scaling an agency effectively.

• Jason emphasizes the importance of investing in leadership and team development.

• He still engages with SEO on a personal level, leveraging external expertise.

• Agency culture is a priority, fostering support and recognition among team members.

• Asking for help and seeking coaching is crucial for agency owners.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Guest Background

01:04 Jason Hennessy's Journey in SEO and Agency Growth

03:55 Transitioning from First Agency to Hennessy Digital

07:00 Innovative Marketing Strategies for Law Firms

10:06 Market Potential and Niche Focus in Legal SEO

11:58 Building a Personal Brand and Leadership Structure

16:01 Scaling the Agency and Delegating Responsibilities

20:03 Passion for SEO and Outsourcing Expertise

23:05 Expanding Services Beyond SEO

24:54 Agency Culture and Team Dynamics

27:04 Personal Insights and Advice for Agency Owners

Jason Hennessey is an entrepreneur, internationally recognized SEO expert, author, speaker, podcast host, and business coach. Since 2001, Jason has been reverse-engineering the Google algorithm as a self-taught student and practitioner of SEO and search marketing.

Jason's expertise has fueled the growth and successful sale of multiple businesses, starting with a pioneering dot-com venture in the wedding industry. Serving as the CEO of Hennessey Digital since 2015, Jason's leadership has transformed a modest consultancy into a thriving eight-figure agency, earning a place on the prestigious Inc. 5000 list for five consecutive years. He is also the author of two Amazon bestsellers titled Law Firm SEO and Honest SEO.

As a sought-after keynote speaker and a frequent guest on podcasts and webinars, Jason shares his wealth of knowledge. He contributes as a columnist to respected publications such as the Washington Post and is a regular contributor to Entrepreneur, Forbes, Inc., Newsweek, and Rolling Stone Magazine. Jason's accomplishments extend to being honored with the Gold TITAN Business Award in the Entrepreneurship, Branding, Advertising, & Marketing category, as well as being recognized as a National Law Review Go-To Thought Leader.

Jason's journey has been enriched by his experience as a United States Air Force veteran and his attainment of a Bachelor of Arts degree in Marketing from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Commencing his SEO career in Las Vegas and later establishing a strong presence in the legal industry in Atlanta, Jason now resides in the Los Angeles area with his wife, Bridget, and their three children.

jasonhennessey.com

hennessey.com

https://www.instagram.com/jasonhennessey/?hl=en

Ep 113 – Dr. Jeremy Weisz, Rise25 – The Gift of Podcasting

In episode 113, I sit down with Dr. Jeremy Weisz, co-founder of Rise 25 and host of the Inspired Insider podcast. Jeremy and I talk about how podcasting—when used the right way—can become one of the most effective tools for building real relationships, not just content. He breaks down the Dream 200 strategy for identifying ideal clients, why giving value always beats chasing sales, and how his agency uses both podcasting and strategic gifting to keep top-of-mind with partners and clients. We also dive into how he accidentally became an agency owner, the underrated power of thoughtful gifts, and his take on creating a high-impact referral ecosystem. And yes, we end with some rapid-fire questions—including the surprising mascot he’d pick for his agency.

Key Bytes

• Podcasting is a powerful tool for networking and professional development.

• Building relationships through podcasting can lead to business opportunities.

• The Dream 200 strategy helps identify and target ideal clients.

• Giving away valuable information attracts the right clients.

• Gifting strategies can enhance client engagement and retention.

• Podcasting can serve multiple purposes: authority building, SEO, and content creation.

• Networking through podcasts can create referral partnerships.

• Understanding your niche is crucial for effective marketing.

• Regular touchpoints with clients through gifts can strengthen relationships.

• Consider the source of business advice before acting on it.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Podcasting and Rise 25

02:52 The Evolution of Podcasting and Its Benefits

05:47 Building Relationships Through Podcasting

09:10 The Dream 200 Strategy for Targeting Clients

11:53 Gifting Strategies for Client Engagement

14:54 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Dr. Jeremy Weisz has been featuring top entrepreneurs with video interviews since 2008 that include founders/CEOs of Pixar, P90X, Atari, Einstein Bagels, Mattel, Kettle Chips, RX Bars, Big League Chew, the Orlando Magic, and many more on www.InspiredInsider.com

He runs Rise25 which helps B2B businesses connect to their ‘Dream 200’ clients, and referral partners and get ROI, using a podcast. They eliminate 99% of the work and make sure you get ROI. Rise25 is an easy button for you to launch and run your podcast.

Podcasting has been one of the best things I've done both personally and professionally. It's been an amazing tool for connecting with referral partners, strategic partners, clients, and more.

Podcasting is like a "Swiss Army knife" because it is business development, referral marketing, strategic partnerships, lead generation, SEO, content creation, and personal and professional development, all in one.

Contact Dr. Weisz:

https://rise25.com/

Ep 114 – Courtney De Ronde,  Forge Financial – Unlocking Business Growth

In episode 114, I sit down with Courtney De Ronde, CEO of Forge Financial and Management Consulting, to talk about the powerful intersection of financial visibility and leadership growth. Courtney shares her journey from CPA to strategic business advisor, and we dig into her Simple Scale Up System—a framework designed to help agency leaders evolve from scrappy doers to scalable CEOs.

We explore the importance of accurate revenue recognition, the dangers of relying too heavily on gut instincts, and the mindset shifts needed to lead at the next level. Courtney also gets candid about AI’s impact on the accounting industry and why embracing technology is a must—not a maybe. We wrap things up with some rapid-fire questions that reveal the human side of this numbers expert.

Key Bytes

• Courtney De Ronde has over 20 years of experience as a CPA.

• Understanding financial visibility is crucial for business growth.

• AI presents both challenges and opportunities in the CPA industry.

• The Simple Scale Up System focuses on scaling leaders and organizations.

• Leaders must shift from relying on instincts to leveraging insights.

• Cash flow issues often indicate deeper business problems.

• Delegation and trust are essential for scaling a business.

• Learning from others' failures can accelerate growth.

• Financial reporting should match revenue with related expenses.

• Things don't have to be perfect to be effective.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Guest Background

01:04 Courtney's Evolution from CPA to Business Leader

03:19 Understanding Financial Visibility and Coaching Services

04:12 Common Financial Red Flags in Service-Based Businesses

08:06 The Impact of AI on the CPA Industry

12:25 The Simple Scale Up System Framework

15:46 Shifting Mindsets: From Instincts to Insights

22:53 Challenges in Scaling Dependent Businesses

25:13 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Courtney De Ronde is the CEO of Forge Financial & Management Consulting and the creator of the Simple ScaleUp System™. With over 20 years as a CPA and 15 years in business

leadership, Courtney specializes in guiding small businesses from startup to scaleup. She’s an expert in business intelligence, leadership, and corporate finance. We’re thrilled to have her share her insights on how you can achieve your most ambitious goals.

Take our free Business Intelligence Grader to gain visibility within their business

https://www.forgeahead.com/business-intelligence-grader/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/drweisz/

In episode 097 of Agency Bytes, I had the pleasure of speaking with Matthew Fox, a project leader, trainer, and operations consultant who specializes in conscious leadership and helping teams work better together.

Matthew opened up about his personal journey with imposter syndrome and how it led him to dive deep into self-development. Over the years, he’s explored frameworks like The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership and the Drama Triangle, which have shaped how he approaches leadership and team dynamics.

One of the biggest takeaways from our conversation? Project managers often spot cultural issues before leadership does. If your projects are struggling, it’s probably not just an execution problem—it’s a reflection of your agency’s culture

We also dove into the importance of self-care for agency owners—something too many of us neglect. Matthew shared how shifting from reactive, fear-based leadership to solution-focused, conscious leadership can improve team morale, retention, and overall agency success.

This was an insightful conversation, and I know agency owners will take a lot from it. If you’re stuck in survival mode, it might be time to rethink how you lead.

In episode 096 of Agency Bytes, I had the pleasure of speaking with Jason Kramer, founder and CEO of Cultivize, about how to improve the sales process through better lead nurturing and CRM strategies. We covered topics like identifying and converting leads, picking the right CRM tools, and the mindset shifts that make CRM usage more effective. Jason shared some great insights on evaluating past marketing efforts, making sense of key metrics, and positioning agencies for success. He also introduced some exciting tools and resources from Cultivize, including a Google Sheets-based CRM system called Profit Path, which helps businesses track leads and marketing expenses more effectively.

Key Bytes

• Cultivize focuses on helping businesses identify, nurture, and convert leads.

• Proper CRM implementation requires ongoing adjustments and strategy.

• Many companies jump into technology without understanding their needs.

• Evaluating past marketing efforts is crucial for future success.

• Metrics should inform decisions, not just provide data.

• Agencies often struggle with self-marketing due to proximity to their own business.

• Positioning and niche marketing are essential for agency success.

• New tools like Profit Path can simplify lead tracking and marketing costs.

• Behavioral changes are necessary for effective CRM usage.

• Asking for help can accelerate business growth. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Cultivize and Sales Optimization

05:55 Choosing the Right CRM Tools

11:58 Evaluating Past Marketing Efforts

17:54 Marketing for Agencies: The Importance of Positioning

24:04 Rapid Fire Questions and Final Thoughts

Jason Kramer is the founder and CEO of Cultivize, a consulting firm dedicated to improving lead nurturing and CRM implementation. With more than two decades of experience, Jason has collaborated with both global and local brands to help align marketing and sales efforts. His expertise lies in optimizing sales processes, evaluating underperforming marketing campaigns, and fostering better integration between marketing and sales teams.

Contact Jason: 

https://cultivize.com/learnmore/

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https://cultivize.com/profit-path-sales-tool/

In episode 095 of Agency Bytes, I’m joined by Chip Griffin, founder of the Small Agency Growth Alliance (SAGA). With over 30 years of experience as an agency owner and entrepreneur, Chip shares how small PR, marketing, and creative agency owners can build businesses they truly love.

We dig into some of agency owners' pitfalls, including why chasing “copycat goals” and outdated benchmarks often leads to burnout, and why focusing on profit and personal satisfaction is key. Chip also breaks down his “floor-to-ceiling” pricing model, the importance of time tracking, and how finding focus (a.k.a. niching) can make your agency more efficient and profitable. Plus, we discuss how owners can step back from the grind and take control of their day-to-day.

If you’re ready to rethink your approach to running your agency, this episode is packed with actionable tips to help you grow sustainably and love what you do. Tune in now!

Key Bytes

• Commit to building a business you want to own.

• Define personal goals to shape your agency.

• Focus on profit, not just revenue or headcount.

• Time tracking is essential for understanding costs.

• Pricing should be based on project budgets and value.

• Finding focus helps improve efficiency and results.

• Agency owners often work too many hours on the wrong tasks.

• Control your day to enhance satisfaction.

• Selling an agency is often not a life-changing event.

• Life is too short to be miserable in your work.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Growth

06:36 The Importance of Time Tracking

12:51 Pricing Strategies for Agencies

19:23 Common Pain Points for Agency Owners

25:19 Rapid Fire Questions and Final Thoughts

As the founder of the Small Agency Growth Alliance (SAGA), Chip Griffin helps small PR and marketing agency owners build businesses that they want to own. He works with them to grow profits, eliminate overwork, and improve their overall satisfaction.

As an experienced entrepreneur and agency owner himself, Chip shares the wisdom of his successes and the lessons from his failures. He understands the challenges and opportunities that face agency owners because he sat in the same chair and faced similar decisions.

Chip joined his first agency 30 years ago as a Junior Account Executive and has had an appreciation for the highs and lows these firms experience ever since.

Contact Chip:

www.smallagencygrowth.com

linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin

In episode 094 of Agency Bytes, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Chris Dubois, a seasoned marketing expert and non-founder CEO. Chris shares his fascinating journey from being an infantry officer to leading a successful agency that not only got recognized as an Inc 5000 honoree but also earned the prestigious Two Comma Club award. During our conversation, Chris dives deep into the Dynamic Agency OS, his framework for helping agencies achieve alignment and growth. Key areas of focus from the podcast include:

• Transformational Leadership: How Chris advanced from head of operations to CEO and his insights on effective leadership.

• Strategic Specialization: The importance of niching based on problem-solving and creating differentiated offers.

• Team Optimization: Evaluating and leveraging team strengths to maintain high standards and improve agency culture.

• Quarterly Planning: The benefits of conducting quarterly strategy sessions to stay aligned with client goals and maintain focus.

• Practical Tools: Chris's take on invaluable tools like the AI-powered calendar tool, Motion, and its impact on productivity.

Tune in to explore valuable strategies and actionable insights that can help marketing agency owners thrive and grow their businesses.

Key Bytes

• Chris DuBois transitioned from military service to agency leadership.

• The Dynamic Agency OS framework focuses on operators, offers, and operations.

• Agencies often struggle with client requests outside their expertise.

• Leadership in agencies is about maintaining a strong culture and standard.

• Hiring the right people is crucial for delivering quality work.

• Understanding client needs requires digging deeper into their problems.

• Quarterly strategies help keep clients focused and accountable.

• Soft skills can be broken down into quantifiable hard skills for training.

• Delegation is key for agency owners to focus on growth.

• Networking with other experts can provide valuable insights and solutions.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Chris DuBois

06:32 The Dynamic Agency OS: A Framework for Success

12:51 Navigating Client Requests and Agency Expertise

23:39 Personal Insights and Recommendations from Chris DuBois

Chris DuBois helps marketing agencies build a solid go-to-market foundation while avoiding common roadblocks by aligning business design with personal goals through the Dynamic Agency OS. A former head of operations and non-founder CEO at an agency, he is an INC 5000 honoree and 2 Comma Club awardee.

Contact Chris:

DynamicAgencyOS.com

linkedin.com/in/christopherrdubois

Ep 087 – Peter Kang, Barrel Holdings – Building an Agency Portfolio

In Episode 087 of Agency Bytes, I had an inspiring conversation with Peter Kang, co-founder and chairman of Barrel Holdings. Peter shared his journey of building Barrel, a standout eCommerce agency specializing in Shopify, and how his vision evolved into creating multiple specialized agencies under the Barrel Holdings umbrella.  

We dove into the challenges and rewards of growing an agency, the strategic decisions that shaped his path, and what it’s like to step back from daily operations to focus on the bigger picture. Peter is passionate about investing in the right people and systems to build an ecosystem of agency services that truly thrives and writes about it weekly in his newsletter.

He also opened up about the importance of transparency in communication, their bold Omakase experiment in funnel building, and launching Agency Habits, a resource-packed platform for agency operators. Throughout our chat, Peter emphasized the power of relationships in business and the fulfillment that comes from pursuing work you’re truly passionate about.  

This episode is packed with actionable insights and inspiration—don’t miss it!

Key Takeaways

• Peter Kang co-founded Barrel in 2006 with a focus on digital transformation.

• The agency evolved to specialize in e-commerce, particularly Shopify.

• Barrel Holdings was created to manage multiple agencies under one umbrella.

• Transparency in communication has been a core value for Peter and his team.

• The Omakase experiment allowed clients to receive branding for free, building a portfolio.

• Separate agencies allow for tailored staffing and focused strategies.

• Agency Habits aims to share resources and insights among agency operators.

• Building relationships is crucial for long-term success in business.

• The importance of passion-driven work over purely strategic planning.

• Peter emphasizes the need for a succession plan in agency leadership.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Peter Kang

05:10 Focusing on E-commerce and Shopify

10:16 The Strategy Behind Separate Agencies

14:35 The Importance of Transparency in Communication

16:20 The Omakase Experiment: A Bold Approach

23:01 Building a Diverse Agency Portfolio

24:56 Launching Agency Habits: A New Venture

28:41 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights

Peter Kang is co-founder and Chairman of Barrel Holdings, a portfolio of digital agency businesses that includes Barrel, a leading Shopify agency, and BX Studio, a leading Webflow agency. Peter enjoys working closely with agency leaders both in and outside of Barrel Holdings, being a sounding board and sharing lessons learned from years of operating agency businesses.

Contact Peter:

barrel-holdings.com

peterkang.com

agencyhabits.com

In Episode 083, I had the pleasure of chatting with Jody Sutter, owner of Sutter Company, about her journey in business development and our shared mission of supporting small marketing agencies with their sales and marketing efforts. Jody introduces her Build Win Scale System—a practical, step-by-step approach to help agencies identify their ideal clients, improve messaging, and strengthen their teams for business growth.

Throughout our conversation, Jody shares why it's crucial for agencies to focus on sales and marketing fundamentals, like pinpointing the right clients and solving their unique challenges. We also explore how to tackle seasonality in the agency world and the power of prioritizing one thing at a time for sustainable success. Don’t miss this insightful episode!

Key Takeaways

Focus on the basics of sales and marketing, such as identifying your ideal client and solving their problems.

Prioritize and focus on one thing at a time to make progress.

Use the dips in business to work on strategic projects and improve your agency.

Consider integrating AI tools to streamline processes and improve efficiency.

Reflect on the value you provide to your clients and turn it into a compelling message.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

06:32 The BuildWin Scale System

12:58 Challenges and Pitfalls in Agency Business Development

17:41 Managing Seasonality in the Agency Business

20:12 Prioritization and Focus

25:15 Integrating AI in Agency Operations

31:05 Turning Value into a Compelling Message

32:40 Closing Remarks

Jody is the owner of The Sutter Company, a business development coaching and advisory firm,

and the inventor of the BUILD WIN SCALE^TM system, a step-by-step process designed to help

leaders of small marketing agencies identify and activate their natural talents for sales and

marketing, leading to a sustainable approach to winning new business. 

www.thesuttercompany.com

In episode 082, I sit down with Chris Martinez, CEO and founder of Bloom Partners, who shares his journey from building a successful marketing agency to transitioning into management consulting. Chris dives into the importance of data-driven strategies and setting clear KPIs for each department, emphasizing how these metrics fuel growth. We discuss the impact of AI on the industry, and Chris encourages agency owners to embrace the new possibilities it brings. He also talks about the critical role of personal fulfillment in business success—how finding joy in all areas of life directly boosts both individual and company performance.

Key Takeaways

• Set clear KPIs for each department in your agency and track them using simple tools like Google Sheets.

• Embrace AI and leverage its capabilities to improve efficiency and productivity in your agency.

• Focus on personal fulfillment in physical health, mental health, relationships, and business to achieve overall success.

• The business is a reflection of you, so ensure that other areas of your life are in balance for optimal performance.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:08 Building a Marketing Agency and Transitioning to Management Consulting

05:54 Data-Driven Strategies and Clear KPIs

09:00 Embracing AI in the Agency Industry

12:56 The Importance of Personal Fulfillment in Business

Chris Martinez, CEO and Founder of BLOOMAgency.io, has turned his passion for helping underdogs into a thriving business, growing his company from zero to millions in revenue. Recognized with a 2021 Stevie Award for Minority-Owned Business of the Year, Chris also hosts the popular podcast Operation Agency Freedom. He is the author of four books, including the Amazon Bestseller It’s Not JUST A Website, and his latest release, Facts Not Feelings, offers insights on scaling a marketing agency with data-driven strategies.

Contact Chris:

https://bloompartners.io

https://www.instagram.com/bloompartners.io/

https://agencyfreedomlive.com/

In episode 081, I sit down with David C. Baker, a renowned consultant, author, and speaker in the advertising agency world. We explore David's journey from grad school to founding his consultancy, Punctuation, and later bringing his son into the business. David shares key traits that drive successful agencies—courage, discipline, strategic positioning, and effective team management. We discuss business resets, lead generation, and the science behind agency positioning, along with the advantages of running an agency with future acquisition in mind. Beyond business, David talks about his personal passions like motorcycling, woodworking, and photography. Tune in for valuable insights into managing and scaling a creative agency.

Key Takeaways

• Courage and discipline are key traits for agency leaders

• Positioning is crucial for agency success and requires testing and refinement

• Running an agency as if you're going to sell it can lead to better overall performance

• Woodworking, motorcycle racing, and photography are David's hobbies

• Stop things that no longer serve you and simplify your life

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:07 The Importance of Courage and Discipline in Agency Leadership

06:29 The Process of Positioning and Testing

11:17 Keys to Making an Agency Attractive for Sale

15:16 David's Hobbies: Woodworking, Motorcycle Racing, and Photography

18:20 Advice for Agency Owners: Stop and Simplify

David C. Baker is an author, speaker, and advisor to entrepreneurial creatives worldwide. He has written 6 books, advised 1,000+ firms, and keynoted conferences in 30+ countries. His work has been discussed in the Wall Street Journal, Fast Company, Forbes, USA Today, BusinessWeek, CBS News, Newsweek, AdWeek, and Inc. Magazine. He lives in Nashville, TN. His two most recent books are at http://www.expertise.is and https://www.tradecraft.is His work has also been featured in the NY Times, where he was recently referred to as “the expert’s expert”. He co-hosts the most listened to podcast in the creative services field (2Bobs).

Contact David:

https://www.punctuation.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcb/

https://myobconference.com

In episode 080, I had a great conversation with Kevin Rapp, co-founder and chief creative officer of Ultra Friends. We dive into the exploitation of creatives and the crucial role of valuing creativity in business. Kevin shares his journey from working in agencies and studios to going in-house at a fast-growing startup, where he learned to focus not just on the craft, but on delivering real value to the business.

We discuss why creatives should stop pitching for free and start advocating for the true worth of their work. Kevin’s key takeaway? Understand and confidently articulate the immense value that creativity brings to the table.

This episode is a must-listen for any creative professional looking to elevate their impact and take control of their worth in the business world!

Key Takeaways

• Creatives need to shift their focus from the craft alone to delivering value to the business.

• Pitching for free devalues creativity and sets an unhealthy dynamic in client relationships.

• Understanding and articulating the true value of creativity is crucial for success.

• Advocating for fair compensation and valuing creativity leads to better career opportunities and financial growth.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:30 Transitioning from Agency to In-House Startup

06:09 Shifting the Focus to Value and Business Impact

09:55 Starting Ultra Friends and Optimizing Creative Content

15:05 The Importance of Not Pitching for Free

20:59 The Devaluation of Creativity and Self-Worth

26:00 Setting the Tone and Advocating for Fair Compensation

31:53 Understanding and Articulating the True Value of Creativity

Kevin is the co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of the creative agency Ultra Friends. He's an accomplished creative leader with almost two decades of experience in the field. And he's built a mild reputation for himself by shouting into the internet void on Linkedin.

In episode 079, I had the pleasure of speaking with Nicole Ayres, founder of Jumpsuit and creator of Jumpboards. After leaving the big agency world to freelance, Nicole built her own thriving agency—Jumpsuit—with zero paid ads and zero employees. She has since developed Jumpboards, a revolutionary end-to-end solution for agencies that streamlines everything from discovery calls to project handoff.

Nicole shares how Jumpboards empowers freelancers to confidently pitch larger projects and helps agencies operationalize business development, scoping, budgeting, and resource allocation. At the heart of her success? A strong belief in her team and a culture of collaboration and empowerment.

This episode is packed with insights for anyone looking to scale their agency or improve operational efficiency. Don’t miss out on Nicole's inspiring story and the game-changing strategies she’s developed!

Key Takeaways

• Building an agency without paid ads or employees is possible by leveraging a network of trusted freelancers.

• Jumpboards is a technology that streamlines the agency process and allows freelancers to pitch larger projects.

• Trust in your team is crucial for agency success.

• Creating a culture of collaboration and empowerment leads to a more fulfilling and productive work environment.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

08:21 Transitioning from Freelancer to Agency Owner

19:19 Introducing Jumpboards

27:31 The Future of Agencies and Freelancing

32:01Personal Interests and Advice

In episode 078, Jhana Li, founder of Spyglass Ops, shares her inspiring journey from living van life to building her own successful operations consulting company. She talks about how she helps agency owners scale their businesses while regaining personal freedom by mastering the power of operations. 

Jhana highlights how crucial operations are for growth and profitability, explaining how optimizing team performance, delegating tasks effectively, and implementing solid systems and processes allow founders to focus on high-value activities that drive real results. This episode is packed with practical insights for anyone looking to scale their agency while building a more efficient, sustainable business.

Key Takeaways

• Operations is crucial for scaling an agency and maximizing profitability.

• Optimizing team performance and implementing systems and processes are key to success.

• Founders should focus on high-value activities and delegate tasks to free up time.

• Raising the bar for success and setting higher standards can lead to team growth and success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:04 The Importance of Operations in Scaling

08:23 Maximizing Team Performance

17:23 Raising the Bar for Success

Jhana Li, founder of Spyglass Ops. Jhana started as a COO for multiple startups - while living van life. After seeing countless founders stall out & trap themselves without the proper Operations, 3 years ago Jhana decided to start Spyglass Ops. Since then she has helped more than 100 businesses scale past 7 & 8-figures. Through Operations consulting, recruitment, and training, Spyglass Ops empowers founders to simultaneously scale their businesses while regaining their personal freedom.

Jhana Li started as a COO for multiple startups (while simultaneously traveling full-time in a converted van through N & S America). After seeing countless founders stall out & trap themselves without the proper Operations, 3 years ago Jhana decided to start her own company, Spyglass Ops. Since then she has helped 100+ businesses scale past 7 & 8-figures. Through Operations consulting, recruitment, and training, Spyglass Ops empowers founders to simultaneously scale their businesses while regaining their personal freedom.

Contact Jhana Li:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thejhanali

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejhanali/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhana-li/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@theJhanaLi/

Website: https://spyglassops.com/

Episode 75 is by far the Swenkiest of all episodes. I had the absolute pleasure of sitting with Jason Swenk, who is hands-down one of the most systemized agency coaches I’ve had the opportunity to speak with. Jason shares the secrets behind building and selling a successful agency, highlighting the power of clarity, positioning, and a solid offering. We dive into the essential pillars of agency growth, from prospecting and sales to leadership and operations. His advice? Stay committed to one goal until you succeed and keep showing up consistently. This is a must-listen for any agency owner looking to scale!

Key Takeaways

• Clarity, positioning, and offering are foundational elements for building a successful agency.

• Prospecting, sales, delivery, operations, and leadership are key systems for agency growth.

• Focus on one commitment until success and be consistent in your efforts.

• Building strategic partnerships and relationships is crucial for agency success.

• Regularly assess and reset your agency's systems and processes to adapt to growth and changes in the market.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:01 The Foundation of Clarity, Positioning, and Offering

09:59 The Key Systems for Agency Growth

22:55 Strategic Partnerships: Unlocking New Opportunities for Agency Growth

26:04 Assessing and Resetting: Adapting Your Agency's Systems for Growth

Jason Swenk is the agency advisor & coach that guides marketing agencies through a proven framework for growing their agency faster.

Jason is the author of the definitive guide to growing an agency from scratch to two 8-figure enterprises. He is one of the most sought-after advisors to agencies worldwide, thanks to his 8-system framework that has proven successful in scaling his own agency. His expertise has attracted clients like AT&T, Hitachi, and Lotus Cars, ultimately leading to the successful sale of his agency.

Contact Jason: agencymastery360.com

In Episode 074, I sat down with Iggy Odigizua, CEO and founder of AISetters.com, to explore how agencies can harness AI tools to book qualified appointments effortlessly. Iggy shares insights from his Leeds Management System, a done-for-you service that helps agencies streamline their operations. We dive into his entrepreneurial journey, from dominating the health and fitness industry to coaching and building successful online businesses. Iggy reveals the benefits of the Leeds system, the challenges agencies face in adopting AI, and why embracing technology is crucial for boosting efficiency and productivity.

Key Takeaways

• The Leeds Management System is a done-for-you service that uses AI to book vetted and qualified appointments for service-based businesses like agencies.

• AI technology can improve efficiency and productivity in agency operations by automating lead management and follow-up processes.

• Adopting AI tools in agencies can be challenging due to the learning curve and fear of technology replacing human jobs.

• Using AI in agencies can help bridge the gap between sales and marketing, improve lead quality, and enhance client results.

• The key to success in business is understanding your target audience and focusing on the boring, but essential, work that gets results.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

04:23 Building High-Ticket Online Coaching Businesses

07:56 Automating Lead Management with AI

10:43 Overcoming Barriers to Adopting AI in Agencies

13:36 Bridging the Gap Between Sales and Marketing with AI

16:11 Enhancing Lead Quality and Client Results with AI

25:24 AI in B2C and D2C

27:24 Rapid Fire Questions

29:32 Invaluable Business Advice

Iggy Odighizuwa, CEO and Founder of Ai-setters.com and The Leads Pre-Conversion System a DONE FOR YOU Service That Uses Charlie Ai To Book Vetted & Qualified Appointments For Coaches, Consultants, Agency Owners and Service Based Businesses.

Iggy Built his first 7-figure high ticket online coaching business called "Tril 80 Coaching” Since then Iggy has helped to build 20 other 7-figure online coaching businesses and helped build two 8-figure online coaching businesses one of them called "The 4% Club," and over 100 6-figure online coaching businesses. Iggy spent 8 years of his life in Benin a small village in an African country called Nigeria.

Contact Iggy:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/iggy-odighizuwa/

https://www.facebook.com/ighodaro.odighizuwa

https://www.facebook.com/aisetters/

In Episode 073, I sat down with the brilliant Rachel Gertz, Co-founder of Louder Than Ten, to uncover the real power behind project management. We didn’t just talk about deadlines and deliverables—we dove into how effective project management can transform your agency from the inside out. Rachel shared game-changing insights on leadership, empowering your team, and rethinking the way digital agencies operate. From hiring the right talent to using the right tools for growth, this conversation is packed with strategies you can start using today to take your agency to the next level. Tune in now!

Key Takeaways

• Project management is a powerful conduit for empowering individuals and driving project success.

• Leadership challenges within digital agencies often stem from a lack of delegation and a scarcity mindset.

• The integration of project management tools and the development of financial literacy are crucial for effective project management.

• The role of project managers extends beyond traditional project delivery, encompassing strategic thinking, revenue growth, and team empowerment.

• Personal growth tools, such as journal trackers, can provide valuable insights and self-awareness for professional development.

Rachel Gertz is a Co-founder and Direc­tor of Deliv­ery and Growth at Loud­er Than Ten. She helps small to medi­um sized dig­i­tal agen­cies trans­form their dig­i­tal PM oper­a­tions through hands-on train­ing and con­sult­ing. Her mis­sion at Loud­er Than Ten is to pro­pel tech work­ers through an uncer­tain future by train­ing dig­i­tal com­pa­nies how to give pow­er to the peo­ple lead­ing their projects.

Contact Rachel: 

https://louderthanten.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-gertz-trainer/

Get ready to supercharge your agency's growth! In episode 071, I sit down with Karl Sakas, a seasoned agency veteran and the mastermind behind Sakas & Company, where he helps agency owners "work less and earn more." We dive deep into the art of expanding your agency by introducing new services. Karl shares his expert insights on the telltale signs that it's time to innovate, from declining demand to shrinking profit margins, and why staying ahead of client needs is crucial for long-term success.

We explore the strategic factors you must consider before making the leap—like analyzing market demand, understanding industry trends, and ensuring you have the right resources in place. Plus, we discuss the importance of evaluating your current offerings, identifying what’s no longer serving you, and knowing when to pivot. Karl also reveals common pitfalls to avoid and shares actionable advice to help you navigate the challenges of growing your agency with confidence.

Don't miss this episode packed with practical tips and insider knowledge to help you take your agency to the next level!

Key Takeaways

• The need to add new services may arise when existing services become less popular or profitable, or when new industry trends emerge.

• It is important to be forward-looking and reserve time to explore new services and trends.

• Before adding new services, consider stopping outdated or unprofitable services.

• Evaluate the demand and supply of new services, and ensure that there is a profitable supply of people to fulfill the work.

• Avoid overcommitting and consider the potential pitfalls, such as fixed bid commitments for new services.

• Pay attention to existing clients and their needs when introducing new services.

• Don't let problems fester in your agency; address them head-on to prevent them from getting worse.

Bytes of Note

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:48 Topic: Growing an Agency by Adding New Services

03:13 Recognizing the Symptoms and Need for New Services

06:38 Considering Demand, Supply, and Industry Trends

09:15 Strategically Evaluating Existing Services

13:00 Avoiding Pitfalls and Overcommitment

15:21 Listening to Clients and Addressing Their Needs

Karl Sakas helps digital agency owners ‘Work Less’ and ‘Earn More’… while rewarding their best employees. Drawing on his background in agency operations, Karl has personally advised hundreds of agencies on every inhabited continent. An international speaker, he is the author of three books—including 'Work Less, Earn More'—and more than 400 articles on agency management. When he’s not helping clients, Karl volunteers as a bartender on an antique train.

Contact Karl:

Article: https://sakasandcompany.com/adding-new-services/

Freebies: https://sakasandcompany.com/free-resources-for-agencies/

Book: https://worklessearnmorebook.com/

Workshop: https://sakasandcompany.com/agency-lead-gen-training/

In episode 070, I got to dive into the world of agency mergers and acquisitions with Jonathan Baker, the head of the M&A practice at Punctuation. Jonathan uncovers the secrets behind successful deals in the marketing services industry, shedding light on common pitfalls like leadership changes and cultural mismatches that can derail even the most promising mergers.

Discover the key elements that make an agency stand out to potential buyers, including the power of recurring revenue and strategic positioning. Jonathan shares his expert insights on valuation and talks through the sellability index, a tool that helps agencies measure their readiness for acquisition.

We explore the latest trends in M&A, the art of succession planning, and why it's crucial for founders to delegate and step back from daily operations. Whether you're looking to buy, sell, or simply learn more about the dynamics of agency mergers, this episode is packed with valuable information and actionable advice.

Key Takeaways

• Factors that can cause deals to fail include leadership changes and cultural fit issues.

• Recurring revenue and positioning are important factors in making an agency attractive for acquisition.

• Valuation should be done annually as part of the business planning process.

• The sellability index can help agencies track their progress towards becoming sellable.

• Trends in M&A include a higher number of interested buyers than sellers.

• Succession planning should consider factors such as age, long-term goals, and the presence of a capable successor.

• Founders should delegate and extract themselves from day-to-day operations to enable growth.

• Personal goals and fulfillment should guide business decisions.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

02:11 Factors that Impact the Success of M&A Deals

05:59 The Importance of Recurring Revenue and Positioning in Agency Acquisition

08:41 Valuation and the Sellability Index: Tools for Agency Planning

19:58 Succession Planning: Considerations for Founders

22:38 Delegation and Growth: Extracting Founders from Day-to-Day Operations

25:02 Aligning Business Decisions with Personal Goals

Punctuation is a small advisory practice working exclusively with small- to mid-sized independent marketing services firms. Founded by industry veteran David C. Baker, Punctuation helps firms with positioning, lead generation, benchmarking, valuation, and succession planning.

Jonathan heads up the M&A practice at Punctuation. He has worked on dozens of deals both inside and outside the industry and brings a unique perspective as a fellow owner who has gone through the process himself.

He graduated from Emory University’s Goizueta Business School in 2005. His career began working at a small boutique marketing strategy consultancy. There, he was able to do marketing strategy and positioning work for many well-known Fortune 500 CPG companies.

In 2011, he left to start a craft brewery, Monday Night Brewing where his focus was on marketing, sales, and taprooms. After helping his business partners grow to 180+ employees and numerous locations, Jonathan stepped away from the day-to-day to head up the M&A practice for Punctuation.

He loves cocktails, music, and hiking, and lives in Atlanta with his wife, two kids, and entitled rescue Australian Shepherd, Oscar Snugs.

Contact Jonathan:

Website: https://punctuation.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathandavidbaker/

Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wearepunctuation/

Podcast: https://punctuation.com/insights/